10 January 2008

Capital suggestion

Twenty-five thousand years ago, haplogroup R2 characterized by genetic marker M124 arose in southern Central Asia. Then began a major wave of human migration whereby members migrated southward to present-day India and Pakistan (Genographic Project by the National Geographic Society; http://www.nationalgeographic.com). Indians and Pakistanis have the same ancestry and share the same DNA sequence.

Here's what is happening in India:
The two Ambani brothers can buy 100 percent of every company listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange (KSE) and would still be left with $30 billion to spare. The four richest Indians can buy up all goods and services produced over a year by 169 million Pakistanis and still be left with $60 billion to spare. The four richest Indians are now richer than the forty richest Chinese.

In November, Bombay Stock Exchange's benchmark Sensex flirted with 20,000 points. As a consequence, Mukesh Ambani's Reliance Industries became a $100 billion company (the entire KSE is capitalized at $65 billion). Mukesh owns 48 percent of Reliance.

In November, comes Neeta's birthday. Neeta turned forty-four three weeks ago. Look what she got from her husband as her birthday present: A sixty-million dollar jet with a custom fitted master bedroom, bathroom with mood lighting, a sky bar, entertainment cabins, satellite television, wireless communication and a separate cabin with game consoles. Neeta is Mukesh Ambani's wife, and Mukesh is not India's richest but the second richest.
Mukesh is now building his new home, Residence Antillia (after a mythical, phantom island somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean). At a cost of $1 billion this would be the most expensive home on the face of the planet. At 173 meters tall Mukesh's new family residence, for a family of six, will be the equivalent of a 60-storeyed building. The first six floors are reserved for parking. The seventh floor is for car servicing and maintenance. The eighth floor houses a mini-theatre. Then there's a health club, a gym and a swimming pool. Two floors are reserved for Ambani family's guests. Four floors above the guest floors are family floors all with a superb view of the Arabian Sea. On top of everything are three helipads. A staff of 600 is expected to care for the family and their family home.

In 2004, India became the 3rd most attractive foreign direct investment destination. Pakistan wasn't even in the top 25 countries. In 2004, the United Nations, the representative body of 192 sovereign member states, had requested the Election Commission of India to assist the UN in the holding elections in Al Jumhuriyah al Iraqiyah and Dowlat-e Eslami-ye Afghanestan. Why the Election Commission of India and not the Election Commission of Pakistan? After all, Islamabad is closer to Kabul than is Delhi.

Imagine, 12 percent of all American scientists are of Indian origin; 38 percent of doctors in America are Indian; 36 percent of NASA scientists are Indians; 34 percent of Microsoft employees are Indians; and 28 percent of IBM employees are Indians.

For the record: Sabeer Bhatia created and founded Hotmail. Sun Microsystems was founded by Vinod Khosla. The Intel Pentium processor, that runs 90 percent of all computers, was fathered by Vinod Dham. Rajiv Gupta co-invented Hewlett Packard's E-speak project. Four out of ten Silicon Valley start-ups are run by Indians. Bollywood produces 800 movies per year and six Indian ladies have won Miss Universe/Miss World titles over the past 10 years.
For the record: Azim Premji, the richest Muslim entrepreneur on the face of the planet, was born in Bombay and now lives in Bangalore.India now has more than three dozen billionaires; Pakistan has none (not a single dollar billionaire).

The other amazing aspect is the rapid pace at which India is creating wealth. In 2002, Dhirubhai Ambani, Mukesh and Anil Ambani's father, left his two sons a fortune worth $2.8 billion. In 2007, their combined wealth stood at $94 billion. On 29 October 2007, as a result of the stock market rally and the appreciation of the Indian rupee, Mukesh became the richest person in the world, with net worth climbing to US$63.2 billion (Bill Gates, the richest American, stands at around $56 billion).

Indians and Pakistanis have the same Y-chromosome haplogroup. We have the same genetic sequence and the same genetic marker (namely: M124). We have the same DNA molecule, the same DNA sequence. Our culture, our traditions and our cuisine are all the same. We watch the same movies and sing the same songs. What is it that Indians have and we don't?

Indians elect their leaders.

Capital suggestion By Dr Farrukh Saleem 12/9/2007


ghetto soofie said...

the Kemal Pashaites would respond - that india doesn't have to fall through islam to realise u fall through nothing, despite Musharraf being a great admirer of Mustafa Kemal.

Its muslims:>

u can add Bangladesh and Afganistan to that list

queen_Lestat said...

charos ftw...makes sense, India is the world's largest TRUE democracy. So democratic in fact that when Kerala's people voted for it to be a communist run state the rest of the country respected that and the state governed itself as communist in economic policy but followed the supreme law stuffs which India's government laid out ie they with the central government too.

Pakis on the other hand are too busy backstabbing each other for power to do anything constructive and move forward most of the time.They're seriously bogged down in ancient tribal honour and warrior codes and warring to actually see that the world does not operate (be it in religious, social, economic or cultural terms) as it did a century or 2 ago.

The country is like their cricket team : At some point, everyone was a captain :P. No matter who gets elected, they just organise a coup and take power.


Anonymous said...

India succeeded because of Indian culture and values. Vast majority of Indians respect human life, human dignity, human rights, adapt best practices from all over the world, democracy, respect for elders, respect women, take care of families, etc, etc. There is a tiny minority which do not subscribe to them but they are vastly outnumbered.

Pakistanis failed because they distanced themselves from Indian culture and values. They emulated arab culture, and values, the did not believe in good human being rather preferred good follower of their faith. See what it has done to them.

Yawar Baig said...

Jazakallahu khairan. Very simplistic though. The situation described has nothing to do with genetics. It has everything to do with mindset, intentions and actions.

Democracy or what passes for it in India and most other countries is highly over-rated and not the solution to all problems. India manages to elect some of the worst scum of the earth to power. Case in point….Narendra Modi. Hitler was also duly elected, so were Sharon, Olmert, Bush. Net worth is not the best measure of individual enterprise or value. Mother Teresa, Mohammad Yunus, Eidi and many like them would therefore have no value. India is what it is despite our leaders. Not because of them. If we had better leadership we would be the Number One economic power in the world. Unfortunately we are not even close and slipping further. As one sparrow does not make the spring, one Ambani or Premji does not make for economic power or global influence. The numbers of Indians in IBM and elsewhere has no global significance. There is not one single global Indian technology product despite all the Indians in IT. India and our business leaders have always projected us as cheap labor and we have become the victims of this mindset…….cheap and poor quality….low integrity and corrupt. Harsh words I know, but I am also Indian. And not given to fooling myself.

Pakistan’s problems are the result of its intelligentsia succumbing to the corruption of her elite. Pakistan was formed on a flawed idea and as a result of a false fear…..of Muslims not having any place in newly independent India. The real fear was in the hearts of the zamindar elite which created Pakistan, of losing their lands. Alhamdulillah in India, the zamindari system was abolished and so were the ruling princes and that became the secret of our development. In Pakistan the feudal elite got what they wanted……a nation subjugated to their desires. That is how the Waderas of Sindh (the Bhuttos are one of them) and the Zamindars of Punjab (Nawaz Sharif is one) can encourage a society which actively preys on its own. I remember the comment of a Bangladeshi friend who has seen the pre and post Bangladesh situations and said to me, “No matter that they used to laugh at us short Bengalis. We short Bengalis beat the hell out of the tall Punjabis and Pathans. General Niazi slaughtered 25,000 Bengalis in one day.” Take or give a few zeroes, the fact remains that it was not Hindu extremists who killed the Muslims of Bangladesh….it was their own fellow Pakistanis. And this continues to this day in what is left of what was once Pakistan. The Pakistani Army is a tool in the hands of the feudal elite that created Pakistan and Islam is a convenient excuse, duly trotted out when required.

If not, then tell me why a nation that was supposedly created to showcase Islam to the world, did not have the Shari’ah as the law of the land even for a single day in its history? Pakistan was created to make a feudal heaven for the landlords and it achieved its purpose. That the rest of the population suffers is a natural consequence of the system, which is of no consequence to those who own, run and benefit from that system.

It also has nothing to do with Islam. by Yawar Baig, Hindustan

Yaseen said...

Interesting thoughts expressed here, both in the blog and the commentary. I especially read with earnest the comment by yawar baig, and I must admit I feel much the same as he does, even though I am an outside observer.

The Elected indian officials may be corruptable, this is the case not only in India, but I would say worldwide. But the very fact they they do not automatically assume that a 19 year old boy will take over party reigns from his mother, and expect to call him a leader, says a lot. The boy is still addicted to his X-box. It smacks of royalty and feudalistic systems.

The genetic angle of the article is interesting. But then, Chimpanzees and Humans have a 99% commonality in their DNA.

Goolam_D said...

Granted the Indians have made strides in certain areas and their politics has stood them well, but there are alot of real problems still present including HIV, infanticide, Hindutva .. and capitalism itself (where do you thing the USA dumps its waste?)

Also.. the situation in Pakistan isn't the problem with silly Indians, but I think moreso is a problem of silly Muslims. The entire Muslim world is plagued with issues of implementing democracy.

Pakistan as a country present a unique set of problems as well. Imagine sticking all these disparate cultures forcefully into one country under the mistaken impression that they were cohesive because of orthodox religious underpinnings. Let us not forget that the Pakis shafted their Bengali "brothers" and they probably had it coming.

gaargi said...

Beginning with the reference to genetics, on which I am no expert, it is strange to attribute migration to genetic mutation alone. More importantly "Indians" are not, and have never been the people who migrated from this common point (that the author sweepingly makes a reference to) alone. Anthropology in the Indian context indicates that the first ''Indians'' came from Australia to the south and occupied regions as far as the central tribal belts of today (modern day MP largely). The Australoid race was thus there much before the Eurasians came, and have intermingled extensively with the Portuguese, Spanish and Arabs. Indians of the Mongoloid race are the dominant groups in the northeast. So to begin with, the notion that "Indians and Pakistanis have the same ancestry and share the same DNA sequence"is rather problematic. It may also be revealing to apply this genetic-ancestry-lens to para 7 of his piece (especially IBM and Microsoft employees, I dare say)

But yes, some Indians and Pakistanis most certainly do have the same DNA (and culture, traditions, cuisine and movies). In this light, it is interesting that the exemplars that the author holds out are the Ambani's and Azim Premji. The great detail in which he reproduces the personal details of the Ambani family, fortunes, ages, birthdays, plans and so on must make him an avid consumer of page 3 news of the Times of India. While I sympathise with the state of the Pakistani economy, and what it means for the people there, the whole tone and tenor of his piece about "what a handful of rich Indians can do to all of Pakistan", also entirely obscures the India that is not this elite set that he sees. This ''other part of India'' and Pakistan have a lot in common, irrespective of the fact that the Indian economy is booming and FDI is pouring in. It is this commonality that inspired late Mahbub-ul Haq and Amartya Sen in their path breaking work on Human Development, hailed as a whole new paradigm of development thought that moved away from the reductionism of economics. Yes, economic growth and stability is vital for sectoral developments, equity and well being, but the presence or absence of billionairs mean very little if that is the concern. And perhaps the best use that the genetic comparison he began with can be put to, is to say that the so enlightened sections of civil society in both countries should do more to ensure that their taxes/remittances do not go into fueling warmongering or wars or military budgets but in ensuring sustained improvements in the Human Development Indicators. (India ranked 128 and Pakistan 136 among 177 countries)

For all of the above reasons the (implied) glorification of electoral democracy is this context, seems both illogical and unwarranted. Perhaps it is his faith in neo-liberal economic policy's and fascination for what they can help individuals achieve, and the fact that India's ''democratic government'' has embraced them, while Pakistans political instability cannot (? I am not sure...) that explains it. I say implied because, it is interesting that he never uses the world 'democracy'. He refers only to the electoral process. By not using the term 'democratic government' but only ''elected leaders'' he perhaps unknowingly falls in line with the very well developed critical literature on "Asian Democracies" which see
1. democracy as government ''of, by and for'' people is non-existent in countries like India. (a. without denying the important role of some visionary leaders we've had in the early years and b. as opposed to the Liberal Democracies of the West) Dynastic leadership and clientalistic politics are the order of the day
2. elected leaders are very often attuned to the kind of (elite) aspirations he represents

So to conclude,
1.the good doctor does poor research in general and a disservice to the diversity of India and Indians, that I so cherish
2. will make the average Pakistani feel insecure about India and the average Indian smug in vicarious fantasy, doing neither person or their countrymen (and women) any good

Ganesh said...

The Problem is basically with the Paksitani(Islamic) Idealogy.When India was busy in grooming the intellectual capital through IITS , IIM , NITs and other primier institutes,Pakistan was hooking to the Radical Madarsas under Zia-ul-haq/Zulfikar Ali Bhutto ..etc
I think it is due to the intellectual deprivation and absence of sprit of inquiry(when to mainly come to idiotic religious thoughts of jihad ..etc)has lead to the failed state in all fronts.I think the sole existence of pakistan is based on Hateredness for India.

scorpioblog said...

Hi all,

I came across this article through a mail forward, and doubted its validity as there was no source mentioned in the forward (ccp to be precise). So I came upon this blog post after googling, and I applaud the author of the original post as well as the highly rational arguments that the commentators have put forth. Let me try to add something here, out of my own understanding.

1. Biology and genetics to me is like Greek and Latin, so I won't attempt to delve into the DNA part of the argument. But I guess the author was trying to say that Indians and Pakistanis have commonalities that go under the skin and flesh. Though it was not necessary, as common sense would dictate that as a obvious fact. We need to understand that Indian and Pakistani people about 65 years ago were part of a single country, and hence can be assumed to be somewhere related to a same or similar race of humans.

2. I agree that a bunch of billionaires don't make up for a country, especially if the foundations of that wealth are of questionable ethics. But at the same time, it gives a broad gauge of the country's development and sustainability. Also, people like mother Teresa, who work for humanity irrespective of caste, race, religion should not be dragged into such debates as they belong to everyone. Another factor here is the difference between India's and Pakistan's population. But if a detailed study about the socio-economic level was to be conducted, it would give some obvious results.

3. I believe that more that formal education, the teachings of your parents are your best guide. These teachings help a child decide on what to assimilate and what to disregard. So it is imperative for a parent to see to it that his/her child picks up the right knowledge and values while growing up. If a parent knows there are some extremist teachings at a school, he/she can take a decision on letting his/her child continue to study there.

4. India has a very stable and robust governance system in place, which safeguards the interests of the majority and has clear lines of responsibility drawn across roles. It is a little outdated and hence loopholes are being exploited by corrupt and selfish individuals. But the real fault lies in the implementation of that system and not in the fundamentals. The talk about India's corrupt people and problems is not justified. Every country on this planet has these problems. Every country has experienced corruption, HIV, terrorism etc. (remember Watergate in U.S.?) so it's wrong to imply that India has a lot of dust under the carpet, because there are more developed countries who have more than dust under the carpet.

I don't believe any individual, society, community can progress and prosperous in a volatile, adverse, polluted, unstable environment that doesn't give freedom to act and believe, that takes away a person's all important power to think for himself, to pursue knowledge in its purest form and to be tolerant and liberal and base judgments and decisions based on facts rather that customs, traditions and legends.

I have tried to highlight some points that struck me and my views on them. I don't think a democratic system or a single party system can change an ideology. All it can do is encourage or discourage people from thinking in a peculiar way. But the final choice always rests with the people. That's why and when revolutions happen.

Dhaval Kavar said...

1) Pakistan should give more importance to women
2) Women should go ahead and should educate their children
3) Children should learn how to struggle in life and come out of it. All of us can learn from struggle. And learn positives out of it.

I would say, if one generation of Pakistan does above things, then things in Pakistan will be as like India.

Have great luck and hope to see above changes...

And last words... Believe in YOU...

You can change Pakistan's image against the world!!!

GAURAV said...

the difference is ISLAM.